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Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Correspondence with DUWO

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear DUWO,

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear DUWO,

I wrote to you two weeks ago about my girlfriends pregnancy and did not receive an answer yet. Since the decision that we have to make is getting more urgent I will try a different mail address now.

Thank you very much,
T

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear DUWO,

since I did not get any reply, I guess it´s all good and just wrong rumors and we can stay in the flat after birth. (However, it would have been polite to give us the security of a positive reply to make us feel safer in these difficult times.)

Sincerely,
T

Correspondence with Idealis

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Idealis,

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: Idealis

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us.

What you heared is mostly true. Basically we do not have rooms/apartments which are suited to live in with more then 2 persons.Does a baby/child count as a person in housing rights or from which age on? This is also stated in the rental agreement.A statement in rental agreement is not valid if unlegal Families with children are not our target group. We provide housing for students and PhD candidates.Being a student and being a parent are not mutually exclusive

In every situation when someone gets pregnant we try to find the best possible solution. Sometimes that's going to a house/apartment which is not from Idealis, sometimes it's possible to keep living where you are living no wand sometimes we find another location from us.

That's why I need more information about where you live. So if you can give me more details that would be great.

Always keep looking for housing in other places. This year I already had a couple that found another place with a different housing agency.


Like to hear from you soon.

Met vriendelijke groet, kind regards,,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

Correspondence with WoonInvest

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear WoonInvest,

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: WoonInvest

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Goodmorning,

Thank you for your email.

Could you please send me your address?

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear WoonInvest

we would rather not say it yet since we don´t even know if we want to keep the child. To make this decision we would really like to have more information first. I also don´t know if that was clear, but we don´t rent the same flat we just happen to live in the same building.

Thank you very much for your help in this uncertain situation,
T

from: WoonInvest

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Beste,

We really advice to look for another place to stay when the decision is made to keep the baby. If there is no new place been found when the baby is born we will not kick the mother out,There will be no eviction… but the mother still has to be a student and still has to search for another house. Implies that there will indeed be eviction or some measures taken to ensure the mother cannot stay By then you probalbly get help from the gemeente Den Haag.

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear WoonInvest

can we ask why we have to look for another house? We did not have the impression that our current housing situation will not be fine while having our baby.

And how can the Gemeente Den Haag help us and for what can we reach out to whom?

Thank you for the advice,
T

from: WoonInvest

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T Bass,

The rooms are for students and are not suitable for a baby.Distinction between a suitable place for a baby versus a student It is not allowed to rent with two or more persons.Here, the distention is erased between a person / student and a baby

You can ask for help at www.denhaag.nl/nl/zorg-en-ondersteuning/vragen-over-werk-zorg-en-jeugd

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

Correspondence with GesteGroup

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear GesteGroup,

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: GesteGroup

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear sir/madam,

Which apartment are you actually renting?

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear GesteGroup

we would rather not say it yet since we don´t even know if we want to keep the child. To make this decision we would really like to have more information first.

I also don´t know if that was clear, but we don´t rent the same flat we just happen to live in the same building.

Thank you very much for your help in this uncertain situation,
T

from: GesteGroup

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear sir/madam,

Then I am referring to the rental agreement where we clearly highlight that only 1 student can inhabitant a baby is not a student an apartment and must be registered as student as well.

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear GesteGroup

so no second student but a baby is aloud, right? That makes our life much easier, thank you very much and have a good day!

Best,
T

from: GesteGroup

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear sir/madam,

No our apartments are suitable for 1 personA baby is defined as a (legal renting) person in this sense being a student.

Met vriendelijke groet,
T

Correspondence with The-Y / Van 't Hof Rijnland

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear The-Y

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: Van 't Hof Rijnland

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T,

Based on your contract it's only allowed to live in a studio at your own.A baby is defined as a (legal renting) person again

So living there with your girlfriend is also not allowed.

At this moment we don't know at what address you live but when find out we need to ask you to undo this

Met vriendelijke groet,
Van 't Hof Rijnland

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Hello Van 't Hof Rijnland

thank you for your reply. No worries, we don´t life in the same apartment, just in the same building. Since this does not seem to be the problem then, could you help us answer our questions about the pregnancy situation?

Thank you very much,
T

from: Van 't Hof Rijnland

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T,

In that case she can stay until she gave birth. implies eviction will take place after the baby is born. How long will the mother have to find a new place to live? Who enforces or checks this?

Met vriendelijke groet,
Van 't Hof Rijnland
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX
Propertymanager

Correspondence with Staedion

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Staedion

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: Staedion

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear sir,

Thank you for your email. I am sorry to hear that you are currently having some tough decisions to make. In order to answer your questions, I would like to know some more information.

What is your address?
Unfortunately, we are not able to answer your questions without an address. Rules and regulations are set per buildingNo information is supplied about buildings they rent that allow families and may have a different outcome on your questions. You can reply to this email.

Our department Thuisteam Centrumonce personal information is given, the possibilities will be provided will look at your case

After we receive your address, your email will be forwarded to the department Thuisteam Centrum. They will look at your case and inform you about the possibilities.

Do you have any other questions? We are at your service! Please contact us by phone XXX XX XX XXX or by email xxx@xxxxxxx.nl.

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX
medewerker Klantenservice

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Staedion

thank you for your help, we are living in different flats in The Struijck in Den Haag. Please be aware that my girlfriend did not want me to write a mail so early into the pregnancy, I just think it is important to take our housing situation into account while making this difficult decision. I hope you understand that this is why I am not writing my name yet. I would prefer to understand our situation first and ask you for more concrete help if we decide on keeping it and if she needs to move.

Thank you anyway very much for your help in this uncertain time,
T

from: Staedion

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear sir, madam,

You send us an e-mail last Friday. You want more information about housing. I'll tell you more about it.

Please send us your address

When we have your address, we can help you further.there is inherit risk in supplying personal information before advice or assistance is offered

Questions? Please let us know.

Have a nice day.

Met vriendelijke groet,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Staedion

as long as we are not forced to move out of The Struijk we are actually fine and don´t need more information, but thank you for your offer.

Best,
T

Correspondence with Vestia / Het Strijkijzer

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Vestia

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: Vestia

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T,

We have forwarded your mail to our customer service department.

We like to inform you that this address is only available for journalists.

If you would like to contact us with customer in the future, please use the following link: https://www.vestia.nl/onze-contactgegevens

Kind regards
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: Vestia

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T. Bass,

We received your e-mail of 2 April 2020. Can you send us your address, so we can answer your question?

If you have any questionsCalling by phone will also require personal information, there is an illusion of choice please don't hesitate to contact us via: XXX-XXX XX XX.

Kind regards,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Vestia

thank you for your help, we are living in Het Strijkijzer in Den Haag. Please be aware that my girlfriend did not want me to write a mail so early into the pregnancy, I just think it is important to take our housing situation into account while making this difficult decision. I hope you understand that this is why I am not writing my name yet. I would prefer to understand our situation first and ask you for more concrete help if we decide on keeping it and if she needs to move.

Thank you anyway very much for your help in this uncertain time,
T

from: Het Strijkijzer

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T,

I've received your email. It's not clear to me if you are the tenant or your girlfriend?

If you are the tenant it is not allowed to write in your girlfriend on your adress. Because you signed a rental contract for a studio for one person.

If your girlfriend is the tenant and she is pregnant, we will not end the rental contract because of her pregnancy.first confirmation from any housing organization that the lease will continue in light of a pregnancy

The rental contract is a temporary one fort he time during the study.

So if your girlfriend is the tenant, she is still studying, and she will have a baby we will not end the contract.

But of course it is not a perfect situation for a baby to liveAgain, the baby is considered distinct from the renter because only the renter is safely able to live there in a studio in this building.

If you have more questions please let me know.

Best regards,,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear Het Strijkijzer,

we are both tenants in seperate apartments. Thank you for clarifying and taking the immediate pressure from our shoulders.

Best,
T

Correspondence with MB275,

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear MB275,

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: MB275

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T,

I would like to get in contact with you by phone. Could you please sent me your phone number so I can contact you regarding below message?

Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear MB275

I feel uncomfortable phoning about this matter because I don´t think my girlfriend would want me to. She did not want me to write a mail in the first place but I thought it is important to take our housing situation into account while making this difficult decision. I hope you understand that this is why I am not writing my name yet. I would prefer to understand our situation first and ask you for concrete help if we decide on keeping it and she needs to move.

But thank you very much for your help in this uncertain time,
T

from: MB275

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T

We would like to get in contact with you in person in order to come to a solution together. Also we would like to inform you that we will keep this confidential at all times.

Looking forward to your response.

Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards,
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear MB275,

like I tried to explain we would rather not say it yet since we don´t even know if we want to keep the child. To make this decision we would really like to have more information first. But as long as we are not forced to move out of MB275 we are actually fine and will keep looking for other solutions ourself just in case. But thank you for your offer anyway.

Best,
T

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T,

Thank you for your response.

I understand the difficulty of your situation. Unfortunately, MB275 is not equipped to house any childrenResponse comes via email after the renter is does not want to talk on the phone or in person and having a child would exceed the amount of residents per unitAgain, baby and renter are distinct when it comes to house suitability, but are both legal “adults” when it comes to the number of residents as prescribed by the government. Furthermore we believe a complex full with students and young professionals is not an ideal environment for a small child to grow up. Should you decide to keep the baby, please send us your notice with moving out dateEviction is offered as a “suggestion” without explicitly stating the pregnant woman will be evicted prior to the delivery date of the baby as soon as possible.

We hope to have informed you sufficiently and wish you good luck in your decision making. In case we can be of any help please let us know.

Met vriendelijke groet, Kind regards,
T

Correspondence with ISS-Housing

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear ISS,

My partner who lives in the same building is pregnant. We wanted to notify you that we plan to keep the baby and we hope to stay in our current apartment. We are both students from out of the country and we have no other option for housing. Do we have permission to continue with our current lease? Is it true that my partner will be evicted if she has a baby?

Thank you very much,
T

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear ISS,

I wrote to you two weeks ago about my girlfriends pregnancy and did not receive an answer yet. Since the decision that we have to make is getting more urgent I really need an answer. If this mail does not get through I will try another mail address.

Thank you very much,
T

from: ISS-Housing

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T

Can you please give me some more information.

Are you a student from ISS?

Do you live in student housing? Dorus or Bazar?

Thanks
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

from: T

Subject: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear ISS-Housing,

yes we are ISS students who are living in separate flats in a student house. We would rather not say or names or the address yet since we don´t even know if we want to keep the child. To make this decision we would really like to collect more information first – but no, it is not Dorus nor Bazar if that makes a difference and easier to answer.

Thank you for your help,
T

from: ISS-Housing

Re: Housing and Pregnancy

Dear T

Staying in Dorus or Bazar is possible upon availability till the end of your study year. Implied (but not explicitly stated) that as long as the pregnant woman is still a student, she can stay until the end of her studies

In your search year who will not be allowed to stay in student housing.

My advice is to talk with XXXXXX XXXX our person in trust of ISS.

Kind regards
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

Audio 1: Pregnant...And Now What?

Transcript: I come from the south of Holland, Brabant, and I got pregnant when I was 23. I was a student, I lived in a small student room. So when I found out I was pregnant, I was desperate because it affected everything and I could not think straight…and also the hormones were rushing through my body so every small thing looked so big to me. I lived in The Hague for a few years then and my work was there, my network was there. I did not have family to go back to and…it's impossible. How am I going to find something in The Hague with a baby?


It was very scary at the time, because you would not get urgency from the city hall to get a new social housing because I had a house. But the house that I was living in…I would not stay there if I had a baby. Actually, the previous person who had this room, she got a baby and she had to move out. And I'm just a random person who has been through this, but I'm sure that if you asked a random person…people on the streets, they have also been through this. The first time that I told my roommate — well, actually, she heard me crying in the bathroom when I did the test — she said, “You're not going to keep it.” You know? Because she…this was not her wanting to abort my baby, this was her as a woman, being so realistic about what my possibilities were.

Because I did not have a…yeah, okay, I had a side job, but I did not have a real job. I was studying. But, for example, I told my family and they said, “You are not going to do this. You're unable to do this.” Because they saw me as mentally unstable. I was mentally stable. But when everyone doubts you, you doubt yourself. And it's not only judgmental why they said it, but also because they know the situation. Like what my life would be in a small city or village, getting welfare, not being able to get a job. Not being able to climb out of this rock bottom. And I had a friend, she just had a baby at the time. I told her. She said, “Oh, you should keep it!” At that age, people talk about the baby like: should we keep it, should we not keep it. I know it's very harsh, but this is how you talk about it when you're a student at that age. It's difficult, and nobody thinks you can do it. And it's not about me, if I can do it. It's the situation, can I do it? Because where the hell would I live?

If I would live in Brabant, I would have no job, but I will have a house. If I stay in The Hague, I will have a job, but I don't have a house. There's no good decision. You have to choose between two bads. I am so aware that every decision I make now has effects for the rest of my life. And there is nobody going to save me or something. You know? There is nobody coming for me. Not the government, not my family. If it comes to being pregnant or any other life decision or event, it's me who has to do it.

Audio 2: Falling Through The Cracks

Transcript: When I moved here 5 and a half years ago it was so difficult, because here in The Hague what you need to have, even if it is a student housing, you need to have like 3 times the salary of the price of the rent. So basically if you are a student or if you have a low income, it will be impossible for you to find something.

And you only get urgency status when you are homeless. From there on you have to give all your savings and you don't get this back. This is their payment, sort of. And you have to say yes to the first house they gave you, but if you're rejected then your urgency status goes away. And there are rules for how you can apply for urgency, but so many people want this urgency, because it is so tough to get a house in The Hague, that apart from the rules they also look at your personal situation. I know so many people who met the requirement, but if the people who work in the shelter say: No you are healthy. I am sure you have family. And first they tell you to crash on the couches of family and friends, and then you can come back after 6 months when you're still homeless.

Especially as a woman it was dangerous to be homeless. That's for sure. And also what happens with these sublets is that they are usually men who have a spare room. It's never a woman and this also creates an unsafe situation. Especially when they put an ad up saying: Only female participants. And then you come there and I think when it says only female. I thought okay, this would be because they are female or they are women or girls. But usually it is a man. And the last house that I had by myself. I rented it from a man. He had like a three story house and he rented each floor. So he lived on the lowest floor and I hear this from so many people that even when they have a fixed place, as long as it is not social housing there is something that makes it unsafe. So, for example, he had cameras even in the hallway. He would contact me like: Where are you? Where were you last night?

But you know the reality is, you have to be either in a really bad situation or in a really good situation. Anything in between and you fall through the system. If you have such a bad situation they will help you. You will get help and these are the situations that the government refers to. But if you are like me -- you are a student, you have a job, you do have a family but they are at the other side of the country -- then you don't get help. But I still needed it.

Audio 3: Seeking Shelter in a Man's World

Transcript: I'm Ronja Bruijns. I am with Den Haag Bij Een, it's a political party in Den Haag, in The Netherlands. When I moved here, five and a half years ago, it was so difficult. I had to rent rooms from illegal sublets, I mean, without a contract, who were temporary. And eventually I falsified my contracts because it was a temporary contract but you need to have a fixed contract. Now I do have…like, everything is legal and I own a contract where I live. But it's for my boyfriend's salary. So that's how I came here and how my first time was in The Hague. When I found out that I was pregnant, my first thought was: Oh, I have to hide this from my work. Until I am, like, six months or something. Because if you don't have a fixed contract from the moment you are pregnant, then you will be out of a job. And you will also not get pregnancy leave. So you will not have an income from the moment that your belly shows, to when you're fit enough again to start working.

I don't think this is on the women. I mean, people get children. This is life. The government should anticipate this. I mean, it's bound to happen that people get children. This is what society runs on. It's so funny that you get punished for such a normal bodily function. No, I definitely don't think it's on me, as a woman.

Thirty percent of all the new built houses and buildings have to be social housing. You would say, “Oh, okay, thirty percent, that's good that they are always building more.” But there is sort of a termination policy. What it means is there are rules for building, but there are no rules for demolishing. What we see a lot is gentrification in cities, and actually first it was in the big cities in Holland, but now it's everywhere. So what happens is, the moment that somebody quits their contract for social housing, this will become a private market. The speed of demolishing, or the speed of extinguishing, is faster than building social housing. So what should be different, is there would also be laws that go against gentrification. Now, the government hides behind the thirty percent policy. If you build, like, nine houses per year, then what is this thirty percent going to do for the city? In The Hague, there is not a lot of new buildings or areas. We are stuck in the same situation. I definitely think we should look at: what do we need? And what is already available? Like, for example, in Holland we have a problem that there are a lot of empty office spaces. You could easily make apartments from it.

I think it's a man's world — it's a white man's world, especially in Holland. So if you look at real estate, that's definitely a man's world. And they are making the decisions for pregnant women. Of course, pregnant women, or women with babies or children, they will not be satisfied with the solutions because men think of them. What we need in politics now is to talk with people instead of about them. And with me, I've gone through so much. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I know firsthand what gentrification is, what homelessness means, what being pregnant means while you are living in student housing. So I think, in terms of this, I think I could not be in politics without these experiences. And I think that people who don't have these kind of experiences should step aside. They should give space to the people who have, and let them explain what the solutions are.

What happened when you found out you were pregnant?

I was desperate, because it affected everything and I could not think straight…

the hormones were rushing through my body so every small thing looked so big to me.

I did not have family to go back to and…

it's impossible.

How am I going to find something in The Hague with a baby?

Did your pregnancy affect your housing?

It was very scary at the time…

But the house that I was living in…

I would not stay there if I had a baby.

Actually, the previous person who had this room, she had a baby

and she had to move out.

What were your options?

If I would live in Brabant, I would have no job, but I will have a house.

If I stay in The Hague, I will have a job, but I don't have a house.

There's no good decision. You have to choose between two bads.

How hard is it to find housing in the Hague?

even if it is a student housing, you need to have like 3 times the salary of the price of the rent…

if you are a student or if you have a low income, it will be impossible for you to find something.

Why is it difficult to get urgency status?

you only get urgency status when you are homeless.

From there on you have to give all your savings and you don't get this back.

…first they tell you to crash on the couches of family and friends,

and then you can come back after 6 months when you're still homeless.

Aren't there government systems in place for these kinds of situations?

Especially as a woman it was dangerous to be homeless.

But you know the reality is, you have to be either in a really bad situation or in a really good situation.

Anything in between and you fall through the system.

Did your pregnancy affect your job?

When I found out that I was pregnant, my first thought was: Oh, I have to hide this from my work.

Because if you don't have a fixed contract from the moment you are pregnant, then you will be out of a job.

Is new social housing being built?

Thirty percent of all the new built houses and buildings have to be social housing.

…there are rules for building, but there are no rules for demolishing.

The speed of demolishing…is faster than building social housing.

How do you approach your work in politics?

I think it's a man's world — it's a white man's world, especially in Holland.

And they are making the decisions for pregnant women.

What we need in politics now is to talk with people instead of about them.

I think I could not be in politics without these experiences.

And I think that people who don't have these kind of experiences should step aside.